They come in sets of 3. For a gold-plated no-prize (Marvel comics style: you may know there is truly no prize)—let’s hear your ideas.
We are at a crisis. The Foreigner books are running out of titles.
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A thought on cloning, twinning, and individuality:
My two cats are still healthy and wonderful, but Goober will turn 12 later this year, and Smokey will turn 9 at the end of the year. (I count from when I got them, since I don’t know exact birthdates. They are likely 6 to 8 weeks older than that.) My previous two, one made it to over 13, his brother died about a year and some months before. Every cat I’ve ever had has had his or her unique personality. my current two are very opposite, but I love them both.
Over the years, a few stand out. And somehow, the idea of cloning entered into my thinking.
I’ve wondered about that in relation to humans too: For example, what if I’d been born full term? Would I have had normal vision? I presume that twin/clone of me would have still turned out gay, I prenatal biochemistry is indeed one of the major factors, or if it’s some genetic combination. I really don’t know about that either. But it’s certainly a question of how some alternate version of me would’ve turned out. And my parents didn’t adopt or foster, which, now that my immediate relatives are gone, is a difficulty in a way I never really thought of, back when I was a kid and teen, wishing I’d had a brother or sister. (It would have had to have been a fostered or adopted sibling. My mom had trouble carrying to term with any of her pregnancies. I almost had a sister about five or six years younger, but she didn’t make it, and my mom nearly did not either, delivering. My mom revived, though.) So in that also, things could have been very different with siblings.
But back to the cats: I wondered, if I could have clones of these two, or any of my previous cats, would I? Oh, I think I might like that. Or I’d try, to see how they were alike and how they were different than the originals. I know that, like with identical twins, there would be slight differences, even though genetically, they’d be the same.
Yet I also love that each time, I’ve had a completely new and different kitty to get to know, with all o the beauty and frustration involved that any cat owner (staffer) knows. 😉 And yet, even the frustrations are part of the experience that is having a cat as a companion in life.
I have thought that two or three of my favorites over the years would have liked each other if they could have known each other. That’s intriguing too: What if they could have, in a way?
I have always had a cat who came to me, or was given to me, such as a rescue or a stray or a free kitten from a litter someone had. There’s no shortage and they need homes. I like them just as much as if they’d been from a store or a breeder. I have no objections; cats are all fine. A Heinz 57 alley cat is fine, and natural.
So I suppose I conclude that I would still like the old-fashioned way, and that if the chance for a clone was there, I’d be curious how that would turn out.
About humans, well, in our current world, there is already no shortage, in fact a severe overpopulation. So there are plenty of people (and kids) who already need homes and families. But if we had clones, I would wonder what that would be like. My basic premise is, they would be just as human as anyone else. We don’t have anything yet like artificial wombs or teaching tapes, nothing yet like azi or like Replicants or the decanted types of A Brave New World, or the X-series from the TV show, Dark Angel; for which I’m grateful, by the way. — Note: I think I’d be glad to know azi and other clones as presented in CJ’s books. They seem like they’re the most realistic of the science fiction alternatives. (I need to rewatch Space: Above and Beyond; I didn’t get to see all of it.) — I think I’d like knowing azi and other clones in CJ’s books. I’d probably like some others from other SF stories too.
So I thought I’d share a little musing on the cloning of cats. It looks like that won’t happen in the immediate future, but I think I’d be intrigued. I’d still like the great surprise of getting to know a new cat, though, whether he or she is an old kitty veteran by then, or a brand-new little one, or wherever in between.
I’m very glad my current two are still doing so well. They both have a good chance to make it past 13, which would be a welcome thing, if they can be happy and healthy.
No idea if this strikes a chord with anyone, but I thought it was unusual enough to bring up.
My two are being bookends, gathered with me after their supper, very pleased with life. (They pay no attention to the human news programs. I think they are vastly fortunate in this, and maybe they are onto something.) If only we humans were so easily pleased. Ah, they’re telling me they need attention, instead of the computer. 😉
How about evolving? Expanding? Consolidating? Something to do with when the ship is finally built? How about “ing” words?
A word having to do with taking over ruling?
Advisors…for the kids in their new role?
I honestly don’t get all the fuss about (legal status of) cloning. Identical twins are natural ‘clones’. Clones created with medical intervention are identical twins, born at different times. Nobody’s arguing that babies created with medical help, through IVF or other methods, aren’t real humans anymore, are they?
As long as the methods used can cause medical problems for the clones, it won’t be used for humans, and will likely not be worthwhile for livestock (besides people are starting to realise that diminished genetic diversity of agricultural assets has serious negative longterm consequences, as well as being based entirely on the short-term economic gains).
It may be a costly toy for rich folks who regard their pets as accessories rather than distinct individuals – anyone who knows some identical twins knows they are not entirely identical in character, reactions etc., likely due to differences in their circumstances, environment, upbringing and life experiences.
So expecting a cloned pet to be the same, act and react the same is unrealistic – it will not be a continuation of your previous pet, and anyone who bonds with their pets as characters is not likely to be fooled that way. With so many pets needing adoption, why would people spend so much money nearly but not quite recreating the same? I just can’t see it taking off greatly, though I’m sure it will incidentally.
It might be a good tool for helping very endangered species survive, if you can clone the few remaining individuals without using up any of their precious few remaining germline cells and have them cartied to term by a host mother from a closely related species.
One bit about that struck me. I agree that a clone of a pet or a human is going to be different in some ways than the original / template individual, much like, as you said, identical twins have differences in personality, experience, and so on, even though they are from the same time and place, usually. Clones would not have the exact same set of experiences, environment, and so on. There would always be differences that affect them. It’s a very different world today than the one I grew up in. I feel sure that I’d be somehow different if I were growing up today, than back when I was a kid. The same sort of thing would apply to cloned people or animals. Some things about “who we are” are probably genetically determined, yet a great deal is environmental and experiential. Then there’s epigenetic, or how gene expression is affected by environment, other genetic factors, biochemistry, environment. (I may not quite grasp the meaning of “epigenetics,” which is a recent term to me, so I may not get quite what’s intended there.) But I think the point holds, that yes, any clone would be at least as different as identical twins are, and probably more different.
That might be fascinating to see in action. But I agree that if someone were expecting a clone of their loved one or their pet to be a photocopy, an exact duplicate, they’d be disappointed, because it couldn’t work that way. The clone would be somehow different, sometimes maybe quite notably so. For example, if I’d been born full-term instead of prematurely, likely I’d have a better chance at normal vision and other developmental factors would’ve been more robust, more typical. That alternate version of me would be different in some important, fundamental ways, even if much of that version’s personality was more or less the same. Probably. Even more subtle differences would make some difference. Suppose a clone is identical, but would the fact of the other people being older influence things? Probably too. Wow, so much could happen, both for a cloned person or in the surrounding dynamics.
And then what your reply sparked for me was, well, a pet or a person makes choices every second. Do this or do that? What happens as a consequence? How does that feel and what thoughts or experiences arise from that? So there would be all sorts of things going on that would contribute to make the new person (or the new pet) a unique being and not just an identical copy. (There would have to be some kind of neural-net imprint, a snapshot, if you will, of the entire mental state, memories, experiences, copied into a cloned brain, in order for that to be an identical copy. I’m not sure that would work, even then. It’s always seemed like there would be something left over, something would get through, so that such a copy wouldn’t quite “take root.”)
Even so, it seems like there would be all sorts of fascinating nuances to this, in terms of what makes a person (or animal) a unique individual, and what is determined genetically.
On the other hand, yes, I would expect that if it were possible to have a clone of a pet or a loved one (or any person), then that would be in some clear ways, a uniquely different person (or pet) and not quite the same as the original or template. Anyone who would expect that would likely be in for a surprise, I think. But maybe they’d like that chance to discover some new facets of what that individual could be, and would welcome that, instead of expecting a carbon copy.
Two notes to that: One, that doesn’t mean that a lot of SF stories (including some by CJ) would not be still fascinating to explore, such as, to what degree could people be identical from a template, raised with a given set of memories and experiences and training, given prerecorded templates in some way we don’t have yet, but which could be possible, with enough understanding of how neural nets and memories and processing of sensory and thought information is done. Those stories are important “thought experiments” and explorations of ethics and human nature, well worth having. Just because things might go one way in real life, doesn’t mean they couldn’t go another way in an alternate reality or in fiction. (Besides, I would miss those stories; they’re valuable.)
Two, although I kept switching “person” and “pet” or “animal” above, that’s only to play with the concepts, thinking of the overall topic. There are clear differences between humans and other animals; they’re not the same. That said, humans and animals and pets all have intrinsic value, the right to be their own creatures, and we value them in our lives because they have those unique properties of humanness and animalness from their species. (Oh dear, that sounds like I’m making a circular definition that they’re valuable because they have meaning, which would reduce to, they’re valuable because they’re valuable. Hmm.) Well, I’m going to presume my meaning is pretty clear there, that both humans and other animals have a place in this world and in our lives, and they’re dear to us because of who and what they are. They’re not interchangeable, but we wouldn’t want them to be, either. I’m saying that, just in case it seemed somehow odd to keep saying both above. I would think my intended meaning would be clear, but yet I could see how it might seem cognitively dissonant, since I was catching a little of that too.
Hmm, one thing I didn’t cover is, would it seem eerie or creepy to have a clone of some person or animal who was dear to you? Maybe it would, but I tend to think that it would be more like having another person around. I’m not sure what I think of that. But I don’t think I’d want to ascribe any overtone of emotional context or motives over it.
I get the feeling that if clones existed, people would fit them into their lives like anyone else, because the human clones would be just humans, and the animals would be just animals, not really different than natural-born. That said, oh, yes, some people would get all upset over religious and political aspects, or their own idiosyncratic notions on the propriety of it. Some people just get that way, it seems. But overall? Clones would be identical twins, or tens, or cohorts…hmm, now that’s where it gets bizarre too, but then, that tends to get covered in stories.
I’d want to make clear again that I very much like stories involving things like cloning or memory, and so just because I’m discussing it here, doesn’t mean I don’t like those. Curiously enough, I often do like them. Stories are such remarkable things, they have so much to say about the human condition and the world we live in, or we might live in, some alternate place and time.
Be it noted, my cats are unmoved by the human’s odd notions. They have not deigned to impart their own opinions on the matter. I feel fairly confident they have them, in some very feline way that is not quite the human way. 😀 But then, that’s one reason I like cats, their cat-ness. (I’d like dogs for their dog-ness, too.) I like that slightly alien yet familiar nature to them.
I am thinking about some of these. Even about using place names. I’d like to keep going with the style we’ve had…
Using Walt’s suggestion of going to onelook.com and looking for all the words ending with *ence, gives a list with many “next page”s. I got to 350 results before I stopped clicking next page.
In this case I specifically didn’t limit the search results, to give serendipity the best chance.
As many reactions have said, the word you need needs to resonate with the story. But looking at those first 300 or so, there were at least several possibles in my estimation, even without knowing where the story is going. If you or Jane could just scroll through that list, with your knowledge of the storyline something might really ring a bell.
Then do the same for -ance and -once, and I think there’s a pretty good chance to find something that will both fit the new book in some way, and stay within the new pattern.
Hanneke, somehow you got to the reverse dictionary part of OneLook; probably by asking it to match a concept, at the bottom of the page. This doesn’t allow sorting by commonness (if a word is used, it should be known, I think) or limiting to single words, which seems to be the custom with the titles.
https://www.onelook.com/?w=*ence&ssbp=1&scwo=1&sswo=1
CJ, OTOH if you have a concept, “This trilogy will be about X,” then the reverse dictionary may be the way to go. For example, *er:potato — tater, tuber, chowder; harvester, peeler, masher — for a few examples
That’s a very cool feature. But *er:potato makes me consider the wonders o the modern era: Now we can have a hashtag about a hash key table to discover hash browns, French fries, and potato chips, using computer chips.
I’m a little worried how easily such bad computer science puns involving starchy tuber cuisine came to mind. I’ll just crinkle my nose at it and go on.
I’ll just save time and report for KP duty now.
Walt, I thought the reverse dictionary might work like a rhyming dictionary, looking at words from the end forward. It’s not, but it did give a wider array of words to spark the imagination 😉
Comment like the electric dictionary !
accelerator
councillor
investigator
projector
actor
counsellor
investor
protector
administrator
decorator
legislator
radiator
auditor
dictator
mediator
refrigerator
calculator
director
narrator
sailor
collector
editor
navigator
spectator
commentator
educator
objector
supervisor
competitor
elevator
operator
surveyor
conductor
escalator
oppressor
survivor
conqueror
governor
orator
translator
conspirator
indicator
perpetrator
vendor
constructor
inspector
processor
ventilator
contractor
inventor
professor
visitor
Somehow, NosenDove’s suggestions prompted a few more:
Inveigler
Obfuscator
Revelator
Enlightener
Singer
Enchanter
Charmer
Chandler
Tailor
Tinker
Shaper
Sculptor
Prompter
Promoter
Passenger
Courier
Ambassador
Resonator
Estimator
Provider
Rejuvenator
Brewer
Grower
Farmer
Herder
Leader
Conductor
Cantor
Performer
Conformer
Iconoclast
Decrier
Informer
Deformer
Reformer
Framer
Founder
Reshaper
Rebuilder
Renovator
(This feels like it also needs reference to reform movements and people who look ahead, for such things as civil rights. Or leaders / speakers / prophets(?) like a Jeremiah or MLK or Gandhi, people who as leaders or groups, sought to make lasting changes in society. Sufragists, others. But I’m not coming up with quite the right words to get such a leader or group movement across in a single word without other connotations, religious or political, positive or negative.)
Grouter
Tiler
Potter
Mason
Bricklayer
Thatcher
Roofer
Carpenter
Plumline
Compositor
Alloyer
Allayer
Relayer
Sublayer
Underlayer
Overlayer
Overrider
Outrider
Binder
Liberator — Liberty
Equalizer — Equality
Fraternator (?) — Somehow, Fraternity, Sorority, Brotherhood, Sisterhood fit better
(Couldn’t help it, I guess.)
Tricolor
Consanguinity
Diversity
Variety
Uniqueness
Individuality
Team
Diplomat
Statesman / Stateswoman / Statesperson
Public Servant
Volunteer
Neighbor
Patron
Artisan
Synesthete
Yeoman
Craftsman / Craftswoman / Crafter
Scholar
Learner
Candidate
Graduate (n. or v.)
Collegiate
Colleague
Orator
Proponent
Opponent
Component
Disponent
Deponent
Dispenser
Recompenser
Exchequer
Protester
Contester
Verifier
Conjoiner
Builder
Maker
Trustee
Foster
Adopter
Fortifier
Reviewer
Writer
Reader
Editor
Lecturer
Printer
Imprinter
Imprimer
(Off-Topic)
A brief summary on findings regarding the efficacy and practical applicability of experimentation; namely, that the size of one’s cheap plastic cereal bowl is unfortunately less volume than one’s can of Campbell’s Chunky Soup. This was determined by experiment, wherein one poured the soup into the bowl, which then overflowed with messy consequences, resulting in the loss of a bit of sauce and chunky soup, darn it.
While this is both no great loss to science nor to my supper, it is nonetheless unfortunate and mildly irritating, as well as a reminder that, hmm, those bowls must be just a bit smaller than desired when about to microwave a bowl of soup.
I believe my usual Fiestaware bowls might accommodate the can’s contents better, but will endeavor to remember to measure this beforehand, so as not to spill more soup next time. Haha.
The cheap plastic bowls do still serve a convenient purpose for snacks and such, and the Fiestaware is useful for more permanent or heated servings.
I couldn’t resist getting rather florid or baroque with the little lead-in there. Presented for your edification and bemusement. 😉
Some great ideas above. Without knowing the plot, it’s SO hard to know what would fit. (There’s always some moment in your work that makes the title clear.) I keep thinking of the various nemeses and almost-allies arrayed against Bren, which one(s) he’s going to deal with, and how he (and his ashid) is going to deal with them. And as long as I’ve been reading you, you ALWAYS manage to surprise me with a sharp but plausible plot turn here or there. (It’s nice to mean “you” in the plural.)
So here’s my short (because I could use my whole day at this) list, some of which I discovered are duplicates:
Leader
Planner
Ruler
Arranger
Adopter
Troublemaker
Schemer
Defector
Suppressor
Restrainer
Homesick
Reflective
Philosopher
One I left out was “emperor”, not withstanding Cajeiri, because while ruler of the planet is the last job Bren wants, you’re always tormenting the poor man…
Another was “Regent”, because I just can’t bear to contemplate the events that might lead to that eventuality…
Finally, I’m hoping Jago, especially, gets more than a few walk -on lines (hint, hint ;)).
Anyhoo, hope you both are doing well and avoiding leaches and other shuddery stuff. I think of you often!
On regents and transfers of power — We do know the Western Association has a precedent for the peaceful and lawful transfer of power, in the example of the aiji-dowager. One considers there could also be a possibility that becoming not just a world but a spacefaring species presents multiple possibilities for how that could turn out in terms of governance.
That’s my way of wiggling out of stating any preference for how things proceed with the characters and history. However, I do know that CJ and Jane have always shown good dramatic reasons for “why stuff happens” and “whodunit” and “to whom it got done.” So I am reassured in that regard.
So the possibility of Regent or other titles, I would consider is just a suggestion for a useful book title. 🙂 Also, there are good and bad regents or other leader types. We know the character of the major characters, not to make a bad pun about that, but to say, even if something were to happen, we have some idea of the types of leaders others might be. — Ah, but that does not indicate I have any idea where things will go, or a particular preference for how they go. As a reader and fan, I feel sure we’ll always get a good tale told well. There are reasons CJ and Jane are on that personal short list of authors whose books I’d feel comfortable getting based on their authorship alone telling me I’ll get a good read. 🙂 (Be it noted, I’d be happy if/when Lynn is writing more. There are authors like that, from whom I wish we could see more novels and shorts. Life, however, has a way of getting in the way of life at times. I’m struggling with that myself.)
Gonna be very rainy here the first half of the week at least, and I’m eager for a grocery run (or a try at a delivery) this week. One does have things in the pantry, but one needs others. This will get solved one way or another. :determined:
On a related note, I tried to look in at The Face of Chaos, and got a 404 error. I know it’s not your kuleana, but is all well on Lynn’s end of stuff?
I got through. The server may be having a hiccup. We talked to her just a few days ago, and she said all was well.
Still 404-ing this morning. Maybe a connection problem somewhere across the line; I will continue to check periodically.
Oops… I apologize. My personal site lynnabbey.com utterly failed to make the transition to https last month. I haven’t been able to figure out what caused the problem…except that it’s old and depends on equally old and fossilized plug-ins. Rather than search for ways to resurrect the beast, I decided to take it down until I could recreate it in an up-to-date WordPress format.
Good that you’re OK, and it’s just technical difficulties, Lynn. On a personal note, I know how much life can get in the way of life at times, and creativity, time and energy, just are not in enough supply at times. Please be well and know fans think about you all. it would be great to see more writing from you, but we do understand that takes a lot to accomplish, creatively and practically.
Have I created a monster?
I suggested Regent, but it could go many ways in story. Nothing says death is the cause of the regency. It could be absence or incapacity, or some interesting Atevi reason. Or it could be a Ryo regency for that matter. The book’s title is the tease to get the prospective reader interested.
I am thinking about some of these. Even about using place names. I’d like to keep going with the style we’ve had…
What do you think are the essential parts of that style?
Off-Topic – Urgent
@CJ — I have just seen a book posted on Amazon which appears to be either a mistake of some kind, or else a fraud. I would hope it’s the former rather than the latter. I will email you details.
It shows as The Pride of Chanur, with a photo of what may be a hardbound copy. However, the entry shows as a digital file in Kindle of some 40 pages, and claims it’s a digitization of an old book from a library project. The entry claims the author as one Norris Watson Rakestraw with a book publication date of 1966. The customer reviews erroneously link into your book.
I found the Author Page on Amazon and provided feedback reporting it as either a mistake or a fraud. — Details will be in the email I’m about to send to you.
The entry may be found from that person’s Author Page, or from somewhere down in a search on the book title. It came up as a random recommendation to me of books Amazon thought I might like. One clincher: Er, I already own that in pb and ebook and Audible audiobook. 🙂
Of course, if it is simply some guy selling a used book, then fine, but it “feels” like it’s some other bogus thing. Thus my alert to you, as I would not want this to confuse things for readers, nor to infringe on your rights as author, nor DAW’s rights as publisher. It doesn’t look right to me.
Several years back, there was a spate of companies whose business model involved scraping Wikipedia articles, bundling them, and selling them as ‘compilations’ of various authors’ works, CJ’s included. It was a great battle getting Amazon to remove these pseudo-books. It appears the time comes around again for this shibai.
Apparently the ‘real’ Norris Watson Rakestraw is a deceased oceanographer and biochemist. It smells like some of his samples must — fishy.
Gotta say, that is one heckuva name though. But that was one of the tip-offs to me. I would suspect if the late lamented scientist knew his name was being used like that, he’d be highly upset. Though he could have also decided he liked CJ’s books. 😉
I remember one spate of those scraped articles appearing.
CJ got my email and sent it on to DAW to pursue the matter. One hopes it can be resolved in a timely manner, but apparently, moving Amazon is like moving any other of the titans. Sigh.
substrate or substratum
I would say that the wood underneath the paint on your chair is a substrate. But if you had an ancient Chinese carved laquerware bowl, each coat of the laquer you can see in the carving is a substratum.
With so many great suggestions I hesitate to add however, I can’t stop thinking about words!
Consequence(s)- Consequential
Uniter – Unifier
Divider
Numerator
Resoucer
Predictor
Anyway, that’s a short list and hopefully I can sleep now. Good luck kids!
Words are great! What else would we use to keep spaces decently apart?
Numerator begs for denominator, but either might cause flashbacks to hated Math lessons for some. May I counter with–umm–Counter? Nicely ambiguous.
In another mood, I’d synonimize with sesquipedalia, but for now, I shall eschew obfuscation and cohere elucidation.
Haha, that was fun, Walt.
If we’re going with numerator and denominator, and since I think divisor and multiplier were already mentioned (not sure) — then as Walt and the Founding Fathers (and Mothers) cautioned:
Fractions –> Fractious –> Infractions;
Factions
Fictions –> Fictitious (somehow I feel that has a Terry Pratchett feel to it.)
Functions – Functionaries
Not a divisor but a –> Devisor; I think Advisor has already been mentioned;
Revisor – Supervisor – funny, I don’t think there’s a Subvisor;
Visor — either all those Bankers at Gringotts, or Geordi on TNG, or just someone very fond of baseball caps? Such as Dustin on Stranger Things….
Oh, but then I guess you’d have…
Forward, Backward, Askew, and Cocked Hat Wearers;
Bills, leading to Laws, Amendments, Constitutions, Charters, Declarations;
Brims or Brimless hats…oh, there’d be a whole slew of hats and caps and headgear, I suppose;
I was going to go there, but then realized the scope was endless!
Telescope, Microscope, Monocle, Monocular, Binocular, perhaps a Trinocular, for all I know….or just an Ocular.
* Aside from Port Eternity, plus the Knnn, T’ca, and Chi, I wonder what CJ would do with alien ocean or aquatic life….
Askance? Sidewinder?
Predictor
Prognosticator
Forecaster
Foreseer
Harbinger
Forebearer
Illuminator
Illustrator
Auditor
Orator
Speaker
Listener
Hearer
Looker
Watcher
Teller
Prevaricator :-/
Whistleblower
Protester
Pardoner
Sleeper
Awakener
Emancipator
Liker
Lover
Hugger
Kisser
…wait, when did that turn into a romance novel?….
Reviver
Definer
Combiner
Portrayer
Sharer
Settler
Debater
Potater … oops, sorry, overly enthusiastic there, haha. Tater?
Tomater … nope, still not quite there….
Leaper
Hopper
Thumper
…those ee-vviill plot bunnies are at it again…
Harbinger sounds good.
OT: in my personal news, they did the surgery Friday before last, and the pathology report came back clean. It’s now on to the next stage(s): a year of infused monoclonal antibodies (one which Does Things to my blood pressure) and radiation treatment.
I am still not thrilled, but being a science nerd helps.
The road looks longest from either end.
PJ, I hope you do all right. Good news that the pathology came back negative, and good news, even if rough, on the treatment.
That’s good news on the pathology report. Wishing you strength on the treatment.
Good news!
Most excellent and continued good wishes!
Yes, indeed, good news for you even if your continued path still is lengthy. I hope WOL can get similar good news soon too.
Yay!
MABs are wonderful things.
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In threes;
Innocence, ignorance,impudence.
Avoidance,remembrance, acceptance.
Encumbrance, divergence,something meaning throwing off the past
There are absolutely so many fabulous suggestions & I may be duplicating (Duplicator?) however here I go again: Innovator, Praetor; Motivator, Transmitter, Extinguisher, Integer, Observer. Best wishes to all.