Just add names to this thread in the format given.


  1. CJ

    THE FORMAT: you can swipe, paste, fill out, swipe, paste.

    1. [name]–[book in which person first appeared] [book in which person suffered some major change, like moving, dying, getting married: ] [Ongoing Job description] [household: eg: Bren’s domestic staff; or in the case of humans, what job] also note changes of household, like Bindanda, who has moved around a bit.

    • Raesean

      Aha, now I see why Wave without a Shore has been down when I checked it recently. You’ve created a lovely, new look. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to access any of your current, active threads, C.J., or see them at all on the Home page other than your confident pronouncement that “things should work now”, surrounded by a bunch of code and the advisement to Register (I’m using a newish IPad Pro). I tried registering in case we all have to re-register, but it (correctly) said my name was already registered.

      As the Projects and Miscellaneous tabs do work, I’m leaving a comment here on the first entry of the first project to alert you, Raesean.

  2. Sgt Saturn

    To begin with the blindingly obvious:

    1. Bren Cameron – Foreigner. Paidhi

  3. Hanneke

    Oh dear, the wikilink doesn’t link. Can someone fix that and then delete this post?

    • Hanneke

      This is the link to the wiki again; I hope this one works:

      This wiki seems quite easy to work with. I’ve never worked on a wiki before, but I just tried it, and it worked.
      This is how it works: you don’t need to log in, anyone can add information.

      To change an entry, or add information to an existing entry:
      Click on ‘Edit’ at the start of the entry, add or move your information, using Ctrl-C for copy and Ctrl-V for paste (just like working in any text-based document), then add a short summary of what you did (at the top right) and click on the ‘Publish’ button to the right.
      Hey presto, the text is changed.

      To add a new entry:
      Hit the Edit button near the top of the page; that will bring up the whole page for editing rather than a single section, and you can add a new section.

  4. Hanneke

    And here is GreenWyvern’s explanation of how to work with the database, collected for future ease of use from the blog-comments linked above.

    I can create a small custom online database using MySQL and PHP. It will be professional quality and very easy for anyone to use. You will be able to print the list of characters to your printer or download it as a CSV file. I can put it on my own server. The small database will have text areas for more extensive notes and descriptions, and drop-down lists of the books. The interface will be very clean and simple. It can later be moved elsewhere if necessary, and become a permanent online reference.
    I thought about making sub-records to handle more than one major event, but I decided against it because I’m trying to keep it as simple as possible. It can be handled by adding more than one line for a character. I think that CJ is probably more interested in info about minor characters than major ones, anyway.

    You can view it without signing in. Click on the orange square to start.

    To add or edit records, sign in with:

    User name: bren
    Password: paidhi

    (So much for security!)

    Click on a record to edit it, Click on ‘Add New’ to add a new one. I hope everything else is obvious.

    Extra info:
    You can sort the table by clicking on the column headers. Previous and Next will only do something when there is more than one page of records.

    I’ve disabled deleting records for this log in, to avoid records being deleted by mistake.

    Sorting: Click on the column heading to sort by that column. Click again to sort in reverse order.
    This means that if there are several lines for a character, you can sort by name and they will be together. You can also sort by book, which may be useful, or by the descriptions.

    The ‘Quick Search’ at the top right also works very well – it selects the relevant records and highlights the search term in any column in appears. To cancel the search just clear the box again and press enter.

    I can add more columns if that will be useful.

  5. Hanneke

    @GreenWyvern, can you change the group Animals into something lke Fauna/flora – I’ve now encountered two names for plants or plant-based food additives.
    More questions:
    Am I putting too much into the Notes? I like to put in all the available information, including literal quotes or sources, if those seem the clearest, but some of the notes are getting very long! Is this useful or does it just make it more work to find the right info, needing to scroll down a long ways?
    I’m also putting in all the names I encounter (but not ordinary atevi words – for those we have HRHSpence’s Ragi dictionary), even historical figures, committee and company names, the named grandchildren of the elderly tourist couple in Malguri, and a named book-author – is this too much, should I limit myself to only the actually present people? And do we need another group name for these named ‘things’, like philosophies, companies and committees? I couldn’t immediately think of a good category-name for these disparate un-grouped names.
    I’ve done Deliberations and I’m about three-quarters through Foreigner, and once I finish that one I think I’ll leave the other books to other contributors, at least for a while, so as not to get too obsessed by this.

  6. GreenWyvern

    Sorry, I hadn’t posted on this page, so I wasn’t getting notifications, and didn’t look.

    I’ll add ‘plants’ to the list, so you have animals and plants as different items. Items that don’t belong to any category can just be left blank, and perhaps extra categories added later, as needed.

    I think long notes are useful, because when you search for a character you will get the all the mentions in the notes from other records as well.

  7. GreenWyvern

    @Hanneke – I’ve added ‘Plants’ to the dropdown list of groups.

  8. Hanneke

    CJ, which book would you prefer us to index the names for next? Are there books you suspect contain names you might need for the new book?
    I’ve finished Foreigner and Deliberations, MMBerry is adding book 5 (Defender), and someone has already added a lot of book 7 (Destroyer); I’m also seeing entries for books 2 (Invader), 4 (Precursor), and 6 (Explorer).
    And who else wants to add a specific book to the database? Books 3 (Inheritor), 8 (Pretender), 9 (Deliverer), 10 (Conspirator), 11 (Deceiver), 12 (Betrayer), 13 (Intruder), and 14 (Protector) are still free. Maybe it’s a good idea for the initial filling if people claim a book here, so we won’t duplicate our efforts?

    • CJ

      Thoughtful question. I think just going through the series in order would be useful, but the first one involving the space station would be nice.

  9. sleo

    Is a new Foreigner book coming out any time soon?

  10. Jean

    Sorry C J, I meant Resurgence. Yes when do you think it will be out. I love all your books.

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