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Foreigner Series: Spoiler Alerts: Page 2

I’m giving the page a second section because page 1 was starting to behave oddly.

As always, wait at least 30 days from issue of the book before starting to discuss. And give our overseas friends some extra leeway: the distribution system doesn’t reach everywhere as fast!

1,010 comments to Foreigner Series: Spoiler Alerts: Page 2

  • scenario_dave

    I always assumed that Jago came from the same region as Banichi, although that’s not for sure. I always wondered if Banichi had something to do with raising Jago.

    • Neco-ji

      It is quite possible. CJ herself said that a Guild mother (assuming Jago’s mother is Guild) is likely to cede the child to the father. How that works if the father is Guild, I dunno.

      And Machigi did comment on Bren’s accent, and Bren said it was because his aishid’s accent was more Southern. Having spent his earliest days with Banichi (the known born Southerner of the team) and Jago, it is likely Bren picked up their accent simply from close contact, and possibly not even consciously.

    • chesty

      In light of Ilisidi’s southern agenda and connections, I have wondered if she had some part in getting someone like Banichi and Jago assigned to the Paidhi’s guard. I remember the tension between Cenedi and Banichi early on, though. So, maybe not. But one can’t help being suspicious.

      • Neco-ji

        Peacemaker says that Banichi was… not in disgrace, but in some difficulty with Assignments due to his conflict with Haikuti. His earliest assignments were probably pretty unfortunate in one way or another… or at the very least, “unglamorous”. He was probably looking at a long career of difficult and unflattering jobs, until Tabini somehow got a hold of him and got him assigned straight to his own personal guard, which would have been a HUGE promotional achievement for him at the time.

        When Jago joined him as a partner, we don’t know. I still hold up a little hope that we might find out more about Banichi and Jago (well, and Tano and Algini too, of course).

        Even after all of my own rereads, I’m having difficulty piecing together all the subtleties, and the dynamic between Cenedi and Banichi in Foreigner is one of those bits. I think (and this is after umpteen dozen rereads of Foreigner) that Tabini was technically sending Bren to Ilisidi, and Banichi and Jago were there mostly to keep him out of the worst of trouble, but not to interfere when Cenedi and Ilisidi made their move to get the information they wanted. In their escape from Malguri, Bren running to save Banichi threw things a little for a loop, and that created further tension. Plus Banichi had just broken his ankle, and knew he was at considerable disadvantage. I can’t imagine that was helping his frame of mind.

  • Rigeldeneb

    I suppose Braddock on Mospheira might work, unless the nearly-defunct Heritage Party overcomes its quarrel with the Pilots Guild and seeks to resurrect itself with Braddock to rally around. Braddock and the Heritage Party are both xenophobes. The Heritage Party, represented by Deanna Hanks (how long ago that history seems!), once swallowed its racism long enough to ally with atevi politicking against Tabini; I can see its members swallowing animus against the Pilots Guild long enough to once again attempt to push their humans-first-and-only agenda.

    Let the politicking begin. . .

  • Rigeldeneb

    On the query of when Damiri first comes into the story: I think she is mentioned in Foreigner, part of a discussion between Tabini and Bren about their non-political lives during that vacation at Taiben, and I think her first appearance is in Invader. I may be wrong. A good reason to re-read both books, yes?

    I do remember that Tabini calls Damiri “Miri-ji” and “Lily-daja” in the earlier books and “Dami-ji” in the later books.

  • scenario_dave

    The Heritage Party is generally disliked because the people believe that they wrecked the economy. The Pilots Guild is almost universally hated by the people of Mospheira. The two of them linking up would not be a very good political move.

    I’m sure that they can find some kind of legitimate charge to put Braddock in prison for a couple of years. By the time he gets out, the stations problems will be on their way to being solved. He would just be one more fringe personality that no one listens to.

  • rockwestfahl

    Just finished Tracker. What a nice bit of storytelling. I assume that CJ is planning to write another quadrilogy (Is that a word?)for this part of the saga. It has a more cliffhanger ending than some but that would fit in with it being part of a sub series. Lots of new characters and more development of the old ones. The arc of the story seems to be the integrating of Atevi and Human culture. I await the next installment with delight. I drive my local librarian crazy checking on it. I have all but demanded they buy every book in the series. Also am a fan of the Finisterre stories and would love to see them continued. Any chance?

    • CJ

      Finisterre had a publisher fall out from under them, and it’s kind of in the back of my mind what happens next, but I have several more commitments. Maybe someday I’ll do one. Or a short story.

  • chesty

    Two things have lately been nagging at me, posing a question in their twofullness. I mean Ilisidi’s odd question about submarines and her apparently long term plan for a southern trade sea route. Are these things connected? I suspect they are, and I know Ilisidi is a past master of all things related to power. What sophisticated engines would she expect the Paidhe might suggest to power these merchant submarines? That would not be idle curiosity on her part.

    Wouldn’t it be nice to see the Atevi vault past all the polluting sources of power to the kind of clean power that humans of our time keep insisting is right around the corner? Cold fusion, matter converters, or whatever. Surely, people who can make FTL drives will know how to produce that sort of thing. Will they not? Okay, now imagine that the devices for rendering such power must be made in the free-fall of space. Oh, wouldn’t that be interesting?

  • scenario_dave

    Humans and atevi are interacting with each other more and more as they become scientific equals. It’s happening first on the station. It will probably happen on the planet soon. Humans and atevi should only interact 3 ways, Lord to Lord, in narrowly defined work situations or though specially trained guild members. But how do we train the guild when humans and atevi don’t mix? This is where I think Toby could help.

    Give Toby permission to visit Bren’s estate at any time, whether or not Bren’s there. This allow him to improve his language skills. Have him continue to act as go between between Tabini-aiji and the President. Also allow him to interpret for Lords in disputes with humans when Tabini-aiji wants to keep it low key. And allow him to bring humans for two or three hour visits to carefully prepared parts of Bren’s estate. The humans get off the boat to a tent set up on the dock where they have a meal served by servants who talk Mospheiran and later they can buy stuff from merchants who also speak Mospheiran. Toby doesn tell any of them that all of the atevi that they meet are guild members and that everything that they do is recorded. The whole purpose is to have a controlled supply of new humans for the guild to practice talking to.

    • chesty

      Like the Station, where Humans and Atevi can expect to interact on a regular basis? This is a very interesting idea. Not just the Guild. I’m thinking of actual tourists among the security agents, maybe from both sides? Could be good training for the “guides”. 😉

  • scenario_dave

    My impression is that interactions between Humans and Atevi are very limited on the station. There certainly aren’t any bars or other businesses that both go to.

    The tourist idea is so the guild can have new humans that they can observe and interact with on a regular basis. Humans get a legitimate and safe way to interact with Atevi and the Atevi get to train guild agents so that they are in a better position to handle Atevi/Human contact. The fact that they are guild is not a secret, just not mentioned. If someone asks, they say something like, of course they are guild, what did you expect?

    For 200 years, Atevi were the big bad guys for most Humans and Humans were the big bad guys for most Atevi. People coming for a visit either way on purpose were pretty rare. Now that they share the space station peacefully, the demand for interaction will get stronger. Humans and Atevi can interact peacefully and productively but it would go much better with trained guild agents around.

  • scenario_dave

    How did trade between Humans and Atevi work before Bren? I assume that Human companies sent requests to the Presidents office who sent it to the Aji’s office. I’m guessing that the Mospheirans had a form letter.

    Standard polite opening.
    We would like, 3 of these, 7 of those and 15 of the other in exchange for 15 of something else.
    Polite close.

    Atevi had something similar or had the Paidhi write it.

    All of the trade items were on a list of authorized trade products.

    But how were they delivered? If they were on Atevi ships, then Atevi were regularly on Mospheiran land. Did they have a drop off island somewhere in the middle? Did they deliver only to one specific port? Did the Atevi sailors allow humans on their ship to take the goods off?

    If Atevi sailors were regularly on Mospheiran land then there has been regular contact between the species and not just through the Paidhi.

    • Hanneke

      I’d think the delivery would be organised the way it’s handled for airplanes and the shuttle (and the hand-off on the station), which we’ve had small glimpses of.
      Communication would be limited to stock phrases, queries and answers, pre-translated by the paidhi and his predecessors. People who would need to have contact with the other side would need to learn these phrases by heart before getting a job where they would be needed; or maybe a lot of them could be pre-programmed under specific walky-talky buttons.
      The visiting crew doesn’t leave their ship; any onshore jobs (like attaching a fuel hose) are done by the local crew without boarding the plane or ship.
      There probably was a specific harbor and berth/jetty where they would be allowed to tie up, and that would be equipped with whatever is needed to offload and load with minimal contact. Maybe something like modern containerships: everything packed in standardized crates or containers, that can be manipulated by a crane-operator either from a shipside crane or one on shore, depositing the load in marked-off locations. From that point it can be taken on by the opposite crew, without further contact or communication being necessary.

    • Hanneke

      I’d think the delivery would be organised the way it’s handled for airplanes and the shuttle (and the hand-off on the station), which we’ve had small glimpses of.
      Communication would be limited to stock phrases, queries and answers, pre-translated by the paidhi and his predecessors. People who would need to have contact with the other side would need to learn these phrases by heart before getting a job where they would be needed; or maybe a lot of them could be pre-programmed under specific walky-talky buttons.
      The visiting crew doesn’t leave their ship; any onshore jobs (like attaching a fuel hose) are done by the local crew without boarding the plane or ship.
      There probably was a specific harbor and berth/jetty where they would be allowed to tie up, and that would be equipped with whatever is needed to offload and load with minimal contact. Maybe something like modern containerships: everything packed in standardized crates or containers, that can be manipulated by a crane-operator either from a shipside crane or one on shore, depositing the load in marked-off locations. From that point it can be taken on by the opposite crew, without further contact or communication being necessary.
      You’d need a harbor that can be entered without needing a pilot, just straightforward sailing instructions. I don’t think a pilot’s job could be done without direct contact and with nothing but stock phrases.

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